chancellor merkel's conservative party. but even her own labor minister says mandatory quotas should now be enforced, but the fact is the junior coalition partner, the free democrats, they are much more free-market oriented, and their members quite adamantly oppose mandatory quotas. they are at most in favor of voluntary measures, such as now are already in place. some companies have adopted some voluntary measures, but it is absolutely symbolic, and it is a minority. interestingly enough -- if german legislators do not move, the eu could soon. >> german women are significantly under represented in leading positions in business when you compare germany with other norman -- northern european countries. why is that? >> indeed, and there is also a major pay gap. it is also related to structural measures. child care still quite lacking, particularly for young children.